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Francis Collin's Big Bag of Cat Food

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    A conversation with Bill Gates and Francis Collins on global health and genomics at #ASHG17

    YouTube · 2017 · Video

    Gates and Collins conversation; 'big bag of cat food'

Chapter transcript
  1. 01:05:32 The potential reality of what has happened is a nightmare.
  2. 01:05:36 How could so many doctors across the world be tricked and manipulated into something so horrible?
  3. 01:05:42 Perhaps it's because our medical leaders don't think of you as human at all.
  4. 01:05:51 What do you foresee as being the next big thing to change this field?
  5. 01:05:55 I'd say the next frontier,
  6. 01:05:57 and this will show my bias as a software person,
  7. 01:05:59 is to think of DNA as much more of a program than as a set of constants.
  8. 01:06:05 We have become a major producer of large data sets that are going to be of incredible value for understanding how life works and how disease occurs.
  9. 01:06:14 In the era where it is okay to basically sit on your own data set for many years,
  10. 01:06:19 trying to mine it and then re-mine it,
  11. 01:06:21 then re-mine it again,
  12. 01:06:22 that era is over.
  13. 01:06:24 And I'm certainly speaking as the NIH director here.
  14. 01:06:27 We now have quite a lot of ways to encourage good behavior in this regard,
  15. 01:06:32 some of which are,
  16. 01:06:33 in fact,
  17. 01:06:34 less pleasant,
  18. 01:06:36 some of which are,
  19. 01:06:37 in fact,
  20. 01:06:38 less pleasant,
  21. 01:06:39 some of which are just that we try to provide appropriate incentives.
  22. 01:06:42 I've often said that trying to manage the research community,
  23. 01:06:46 many people have concluded,
  24. 01:06:47 is really like herding cats.
  25. 01:06:49 And it is like herding cats,
  26. 01:06:51 but guess what?
  27. 01:06:52 I've got a big bag of cat food.
  28. 01:06:54 It's called the NIH budget,
  29. 01:06:56 and if it's appropriately applied,
  30. 01:06:58 it can actually encourage some pretty good things to happen.
  31. 01:07:01 Instead of leading the charge to build factories to manufacture more of a drug we know is safe,

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