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Ashish Jha Have you treated any patients?

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    Consensus is killing the difficult conversations - The Failure Institute

    The Failure Institute · 2020 · News article

    "Broad consensus" argument

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    WATCH: Senators hear update on early outpatient treatment for COVID-19

    YouTube · 2020 · Video

    Senate hearing on early outpatient treatment (Jha)

Chapter transcript
  1. 01:43:09 But hydroxychloroquine is one of the most,
  2. 01:43:13 I would say one of the safest medications.
  3. 01:43:16 My problem here is not so much that we have a different reading of the literature,
  4. 01:43:21 which we clearly do.
  5. 01:43:22 It is this idea that there is this broad conspiracy across hundreds of thousands of doctors,
  6. 01:43:29 the NIH,
  7. 01:43:30 the CDC,
  8. 01:43:31 all academic institutions,
  9. 01:43:34 the Infectious Disease Society of America,
  10. 01:43:36 we're all in on this conspiracy to prevent Americans from getting a life-saving therapy.
  11. 01:43:42 As you might imagine,
  12. 01:43:43 pulling off a conspiracy like that would be extremely difficult.
  13. 01:43:46 Doctors and academics are way too disorganized to pull off such a thing.
  14. 01:43:50 I never use the word "conspiracy." I understand,
  15. 01:43:53 Senator.
  16. 01:43:53 I don't think anybody understands.
  17. 01:43:54 So quit using that word.
  18. 01:43:56 Okay.
  19. 01:43:57 Something has happened where we have not devoted any time,
  20. 01:44:01 energy,
  21. 01:44:02 or resources to doing what could have stopped this COVID crisis very quickly.
  22. 01:44:08 And that's called early intervention,
  23. 01:44:11 early treatment.
  24. 01:44:12 As a human being,
  25. 01:44:13 as an American citizen,
  26. 01:44:14 with the freedom,
  27. 01:44:15 with a bill that I helped pass,
  28. 01:44:17 now a right to try,
  29. 01:44:18 we should have the right to access this without the interference of bureaucrats and the CDC,
  30. 01:44:25 NIH,
  31. 01:44:25 and the FDA.
  32. 01:44:26 And that is exactly what's happened.
  33. 01:44:28 I can't get it.
  34. 01:44:31 Millions of Americans can't access it because of the disinformation,
  35. 01:44:36 the scaremongering,
  36. 01:44:37 and the prescription logjam that has been created by bureaucrats.
  37. 01:44:42 So could it be that I am wrong and
  38. 01:44:44 Dr Risch is right?
  39. 01:44:45 Well,
  40. 01:44:46 sure,
  41. 01:44:46 people can disagree.
  42. 01:44:47 But when you look at the broad consensus in the American scientific community,
  43. 01:44:52 basically the scientific consensus is very clear that hydroxychloroquine is not effective.
  44. 01:44:58 We were at war in this pandemic,
  45. 01:45:00 and my colleague,
  46. 01:45:02 Dr Brian Tyson,
  47. 01:45:03 and I took an aggressive approach.
  48. 01:45:06 And it implied using the art of medicine,
  49. 01:45:09 the principles that we'd learned.
  50. 01:45:12 I learned those principles 50 years ago,
  51. 01:45:15 and I was lucky to have gone to Harvard.
  52. 01:45:17 I wonder if Dr.
  53. 01:45:18 Jha actually treats patients actually the way he talks.
  54. 01:45:21 When there is no science or evidence on something,
  55. 01:45:23 and if I'm going to think about an off-label use,
  56. 01:45:25 I'm very careful about that,
  57. 01:45:27 because the history of medicine is one of often doing more harm than good.
  58. 01:45:32 And my first oath as a practicing physician was to do no harm.
  59. 01:45:36 And so I am very much driven by that.
  60. 01:45:38 And I started off saying that all three of these gentlemen strike me as both smart and committed and caring.
  61. 01:45:45 I would appreciate a similar sort of respect back.
  62. 01:45:49 I do take care of patients,
  63. 01:45:51 and I try to do my best by them.
  64. 01:45:52 Obviously,
  65. 01:45:53 I'm not perfect,
  66. 01:45:54 but I try to use science as well as compassion to guide me.
  67. 01:45:57 We appreciate that.
  68. 01:45:58 Have you treated any COVID patients?
  69. 01:46:00 I have not, sir.

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